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another state. On the inside it has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood to strengthen the stock. Product Information & Specs. Simi Valley, CA 93065. Wood being wood, it is subject to cracks. The barrel is marked "SAGINAW S.G. DIV. Also, any indention in the wood at the tip of the stock covered by the barrel band should be examined. The receiver is marked SG under the wood and uses a wide locking tang. It is in about Very Good Plus to Fine condition. A sometimes overlooked area is the back of the operating slide where it comes into contact with the gas piston. The barrel is marked "SAGINAW S.G. DIV. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. During the first half of production the barrels were often mounted on a receiver within 1-2 months of when the barrel was made. Unfortunately, after the weapon has changed hands one or two times, this knowledge is often lost forever, so any carbine seen today that is purported to be all original must be scrutinized very closely. Here is one for you. The stock shows several scrapes, scratches, and compression marks. Top: M1 stock with no cutout for selector switchBottom: Cutout for M2 selector switch inside the left side of the stock. Early Winchester stocks may have no markings or a manufacturers mark inside the stock.Springfield Armory markings were placed inside the stock adjacent the barrel channel.A few manufacturers used letter codes inside the stock having meaning only to the manufacturer. The adjustable rear sight came into use sometime before the T4 barrel band and some relatively late production carbines made by several makers were originally fitted with adjustable rear sights. Keep in mind, U.S. I bought it a few years ago from another Calguns member. What are you basing your question on? Bogus trolling question. been observed but are uncommon. The rifling is sharp. The stock is pretty clean and has cartouche markings on it. CARBINE / CAL. It is a collectible M1 Carbine as the receiver was supplied to Inland by Saginaw Gear. Many were constructed using whatever parts
One manufacturer separated out smaller blocks of serial numbers for use by subcontractors who would use these
Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. Most of the markings are deep. The serial numbers allocated to these carbines were as follows. It has a barrel stamp of 10-43, but also has the stamp of Blue Sky/ Arlington, VA. Everything appears to be original and shows very little wear. Ok to answer the second part of my own question, "RA-D" is actually RA-P and its a factory rebuild code for Raritan Arsenal, New Jersey. Ser. Birch. Make:Saginaw SG. I recently picked up an M1 Carbine, manufactered by Inland MFG DIV/ General Motors. Any completed Irwin-Pederson rifles were most likely reassembled and reinspected by Saginaw SG after they took over the contract. This bridge was eliminated with all M2 stocks and removed from earlier stocks later converted
This M1 Carbine is 1 part short of being considered all matching. Yellow Birch heartwood tends to be a light reddish brown, with nearly white sapwood. Overall, the gun is in nice condition. U.S. There is fouling and intermittent light erosion in the grooves. Only Irwin-Pedersen & Saginaw SG receivers were produced with a tooling hole (page 22 of Craig Rieschs book, U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production 7th Edition). subcontractors, suppliers, members of the military or government, and others to show appreciation for their assistance and cooperation
We hope to raise awareness and understanding for the collector community, as well as encourage new collectors to join the hobby. Markings: The import mark under the barrel partially reads ARLINGTON VA. Doing so may alter
Common sense will dictate that a well used stock would not have pristine stock markings. Saginaw Steering Gear in nearby Saginaw, MI was already engaged in the preparation for
to strengthen the Type III stock that were carried over into use in all of the M2 stocks. Where the standard rear sight would be there is a pedestal, the top of which has been milled. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition. Until then it remains an unknown. Because of this popularity, testing and use of the carbine for purposes well beyond it's original design became fairly common. Barrels were a critical component in the production lines. Excellent overall condition. More pics on my later response. The underside of the handguard is marked RSG which was used by Saginaw SG and Saginaw Gear(page 138). Irwin-Pederson M1 Carbines are RARE. would be used for the U.S. Carbine Models M1 or M1A1, and some of the M2's, were made well after the receiver was completed as all of these models used the same receiver. We buy and sell collectible firearms and militaria ranging from the Civil War to Desert Storm, specializing in WW1 & WW2. Without a subpoena, voluntary compliance on the part of your Internet Service Provider, or additional records from a third party, information stored or retrieved for this purpose alone cannot usually be used to identify you. I'm sure it's not all original. The hand guard should also be removed when possible to determine that it is properly coded to match the stock. How much is a CMP Garand worth? A M1 GARAND rifle is currently worth an average price of $2,024.47 new and $1,615.82 used . How much is an M1 Garand in 2020? M1C Garand Sniper Model CARBINE / CAL. Typically these punch marks are rather deep and readily apparent. When a later T4 barrel band is removed in order to install the proper WWII vintage narrow band, there are often rub marks on the barrel from the wider band. The receiver is marked Saginaw S'G', the barrel shows Underwood 8 43 with the bomb underneath. own to figure out what you want. The two most common types of wood used for caliber .30 carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes. s/n's intermixed w/IBM s/n's (also see Table E & F). M1 Carbine Saginaw Type 1A barrel band complete. The top of the barrel is marked UNDERWOOD / 3 43 and P. Therefore, just because a carbine retains its original parkerizing, this does not mean that it was never overhauled. The Type I rear sight is marked with a partial S on the left, RP on the right, and RP on the front of the aperture which are Irwin-Pedersen marks (page 29). Underwood and other manufacturers suppliedIrwin-Pedersenwith barrels to assemble M1 Carbines with at theIrwin-Pedersenfactory. barrel channel (bottom), Thinner wood along the right side adjacent the slide on the earlier stocks (top)
Some people estimate a carbine's date of manufacture by adding the quantities manufactured month to month
): B [circled] (I've seen some cases of 100 that were marked Winchester, but packed with these "B" magazines-- could they be a subcontract from Bridgeport?) Bore Condition:The muzzle and grooves are light gray. All Rights Reserved. Thank you. Waste of time. I'll give you $150.00 for it so you can double your return , That's a beauty! The bore and rifling are nice and shiny with just a hint of light pitting near the muzzle. Marked INLAND MFG. Should you have any questions regarding markings, members of our forum are the best source for answers. author's opinion these replica stamps should be altered in a manner that makes the marks readily identifiable replicas and not the originals, as most people wouldn't know the difference. Anticipated shortages led to the use of yellow birch. We did not fire this rifle. SOLD - Saginaw Gear M1 Carbine. The barrel is an Underwood barrel that was supplied to Saginaw SG. Saginaw Carbines made in the Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . The metal shows scrapes, scratches, and discoloration from oil residue and oxidation. The rear sight is at the front end of the receiver; it is a one inch wide notched blade reminiscent of a revolver's rear sight. see comments at the best online prices at eBay! In 1942 the Ordinance District requested of General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Division take over the M1 carbine production assigned to Irwin During WWII most, but not all, stocks & handguards had manufacturer markings. Post WWII, the Office of the Chief of Ordnance (OCO) assigned replacement numbers to armories, arsenals, and depots
Hi everyone, I acquired a Saginaw M1 carbine from a family member this morning. After WWII it was not uncommon for M1 Carbines to be converted to select
Sapwood is pale yellow-gray to nearly white. The inside of the operating slide is marked SG which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 65). The stocks were also stamped with code markings which are normally found inside of the sling recess on the left side. 3 3/16" (approx.) When did they change for from SG to S'G' markings? Many of these so-called pot belly stocks were used on rebuilt M1 carbines but were not used on production M1 carbines during WWII. This Inland M1 Carbine was made back in 1944. Carbines having any other letter(s) on the receiver are beyond the scope of the information on this particular page. Which Saginaw? Markings:There is no visible import mark. The inside of the operating slide is marked IP which is a Irwin-Pedersen mark (page 65). community. Although additional woods were approved it does not appear any were manufactured using other than Walnut, Birch, or Cherry. They should not be altered or fired. Carbines that have one of these serial numbers may be an Engineering prototype, a "presentation" carbine, or both. Caliber .30 Carbine Models M1, M1A1 and M2 (1) leftover carbines offered to Ordnance after a company name change and completion of the NPM contract (2) Toolroom Models: Pre / 44. and/or carbine restoration businesses offer to include stamping the "correct" cartouche on the customer's carbine. Grand Rapids, Michigan, Year of Manufacture:1942 to 1944. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. Curio & Relics and Black Powder Firearms, Old School shooting fun! Any opinions on how rare/popular collector is a Saginaw stamped M-1 Carbine? There is grease residue on the receiver. This information may appear to be over-simplistic to an advanced carbine collector but is nevertheless a good starting point to help evaluate the originality of a carbine. Model: M1 Carbine Serial Number: 1767065 Year of Manufacture: 1942 to 1944. No specific manufacture dates are listed due to a number of reasons explained on pages 24 to 26 of Scott Duffs book, The M1 Carbine Owners Guide. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. .30 M1. and the top rear is marked IRWIN-PEDERSON / 1767065. Oval sling cut, High Wood covers slide
G.S. Rather than assume the documents were followed to the letter, the serial numbers in tables C-F are presented with the lowest and highest reported to date. Parts wear out, carbines are disassembled for the sale of the parts individually. Every week we put items for sale starting at $1 ! Underwood supplied barrels for Irwin-Pedersen (page 50). on a limited basis prior to the introduction of the M2 stocks but no documentation has been
and is not a very late production Inland or Winchester, one may rest assured that the piece is a post-war rebuild or has been assembled from parts. Type and code markings notwithstanding, a slide that shows little or no evidence of having been fired should not be found in a carbine that has seen extensive use. Winchester continued this practice with their type IV M2 stocks and it became the
Such carbines may be fine collector items, but are not as desirable or valuable as original, unrestored carbines. As solutions to old problems were learned, some of the same
the manufacture of carbines along with providing subcontracted receivers for Inland. The right side of the butt is marked with a crossed cannons cartouche and SG in a box which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 124). barrel channel (top)
It also has a S'G' stock and hand guard with an IP butt plate. to the assigned serial number blocks. were available. Many of the marks have damaged small portions of the surface wood. Type I, II, and III stocks were strengthened forward of the trigger housing by means of a "bridge" spanning the width of the stock. DIV. The technical storage or access that is used exclusively for anonymous statistical purposes. If you just purchased it you know the "value", if acquired some other way a picture would be necessary to give you a good idea. receivers were brought back online and completed (i.e. Barrel Date: March, 1943 Caliber: .30 Carbine Action Type: Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine Markings: http://www.chestnutridge.com/images/inv/CPBP2.asp. on the right. The rebuilt rifles are identifiable from the markings left by the companies that rebuilt them. Occasionally, an L type sight might cover most of the circular punch marks so close examination should be performed to ascertain whether these exist. Newer Post , Spotting a Restored or otherwise non-original M1 Carbine. block in the same time frame. Front sight marked with N. Military Crossed Cannons Cartouche on right mid stock face. Overall Condition:This rifle retains about 90% of its metal finish as refinished. Older Post It looks good and has a strong bright bore. American Black Walnut was the most common wood used. Taming the SFAR: How Ruger's Small-Frame .308 Runs Suppressed. Therefore, it is very important to examine the rear sight dovetail area very closely even though the correct type of non-adjustable rear sight may be present. marked: AI,SI, JI,or KI(INLAND) M1 Carbine Barrel Band Type 3 (bayonet lug) Used G.I. The letter P was also used as an inspection proof mark placed on carbines rebuilt by U.S. Army Ordnance. There is a light import mark on the right side of the barrel. Assuming the parts appear to be consistent with the vintage of the carbine, the markings should be closely examined. The M2 stocks were often used as replacement stocks for the M1's. Used early in production. Visit our website for new treasures daily. Two of the most significant areas to observe are the barrel and rear sight base. Saginaw Carbines made in the Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . This has been added to help people figure out name brand of parts they have. two Ordnance rebuild P's. Mechanics:The action functions correctly. There were 5 basic stock styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. This beautiful firearm is part of a 50+ year old collection! We believe we sell living history, and honor the veterans who fought and died for our freedoms. There were 3 basic handguard styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. A plain SG with no other markings is also stamped on the front left of the receiver. The LOP measures 13 inches from the front of the trigger to the back of the buttplate. When the adjustable sights are removed and replaced by the correct vintage L type sight, these punch marks are often apparent and reveal the fact that a later sight was installed at one time. No import markings. So it's possible one of the 1,706,436 carbine barrels Underwood made got put on that Carbine. Overall, this rifle rates in about Very Good Plus condition as refinished. It's listed with Inland. Parkerizing found on such parts is clear evidence that the weapon is not all original. American Black Walnut had a long history of The magazine is marked I-P-K upside down which is an Irwin-Pedersen mark not listed in our source material (page 142 -143). I do know it is a really nice M1 and I would not part with it. It has a high wood stock and the serial number is in the 3.3 mils. 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. Carbines have been, and still are,
The M1 Carbine contributed greatly to U.S. efforts during WWII. their historical value. The barrel has been treated with cold blue. Color can sometimes have a grey, purple, or reddish cast. For sale is Inland M1 Carbine ser# 3064171. SG on left side of some receivers, not all. Over 6 million were made by a number of U.S. companies to assist with the all out war effort. I acquired a Saginaw M1 carbine from a family member this morning. Also, have bandoliers & stripper clips & sling. This is not the case because, as stated, as some contractors utilized these parts in later production pieces during the war. After WWII Birch became much more common. It shows light discoloration & spots of soiling on the canvas as well as scrapes on the metal. Instead of buying a gun thats
The right side of the receiver and the bolt light thinning from cycling. The top of the barrel is marked INLAND MFG. Year of Manufacture:1942 to 1944. Underwood supplied barrels for Saginaw SG (page 50). As time goes on more and more carbines are having parts replaced. The band will have 3 spot welds. Here is a brief explanation as to why they are highly sought after by M1 Carbine collectors. authorization to sent an unknown quantity of receivers to Grand Rapids. the machining of the wood below the recoil plate to provide better support. Get Guns.com offers and news!! Guns.com pledges to make gun buying easy, to support local gun stores, and to serve our This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, Specific M1 Carbine Contractor Discussions. Through our YouTube channel, we strive to educate and share the stories behind the artifacts we sell. The sling well is marked IR-IP which was used byIrwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 108 109). 3?7XXXX ? If you're looking for a high-value low-power variable optic that just plain performs, SIG Sauer has a great option at an affordable price with its Tango MSR LPVO scope. Some of the info in the charts was extracted and reproduced from the book. Markings:There is no visible import mark. All Rights Reserved. A circled P in san serif within a 1/2 inch diameter circle stamped in the bottom of the handgrip (above left) was sometimes used as a proof mark at several prime contractor facilities to indicate a completed carbine
Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for M1 Carbine, Buttplate I believe to be for Saginaw and Inland. While a crack can happen anywhere in the stock there are several places it was more prone to happen than anywhere else. The rifle was originally assembled with the Underwood barrel, so the barrel is still considered a matching part. GENERAL MOTORS" It has been fitted with the adjustable sight, type 3 barrel band, and rotary safety sometime in Dating a carbine by its serial number alone is difficult and not always accurate given the circumstances inherent with manufacturing and the logistics situation
If a receiver was scrapped and not used, its serial number may or may not have been reused. The M2 Carbine had a selective fire capability i.e. full auto. Neither the M1 Rifle or the M1 Carbine had a selective fire capability. The M2 carbine replaced most of the submachine guns used the US by the time of the Korean War. The most prominent marks are on the handguard. Overall, the gun is in nice condition. The bottom of the grip is marked with a circled P proof. This M1 Carbine is 1 part short of being considered all matching. The one and only finish approved for use on the wood of the Caliber .30 Carbine was raw linseed oil. They made 7 of the parts including receivers, but no barrels, between May of '43 and Jan., of '44. Saginaw Carbines made at the Irwin-Pedersen Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . If a parkerized bolt is observed, the piece is almost certainly not all original. until Ordnance arranged for additional barrel manufacturers. While a competently restored carbine can sometimes be a bit difficult to spot, there are several tell-tale signs that often reveal restoration work. receiver. It makes a difference. It should be remembered, however, that the arsenal rebuild procedures did not always include reparkerizing the metal. They are a specialty that
These marks have been oiled. Among the most sought after U.S. martial arms today are original, unaltered M1 carbines remaining in their as issued WWII factory configuration. The trigger group is marked SG on the right rear which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 78). Model:M1 Carbine. The trigger group is a type two pattern with the upright Inland markings on For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. The front sight is marked 6 on the left and N on the top which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and others (page 56). While there is no substitute for experience when examining a carbine, there are several things to look for that can give valuable clues as to the originality (or lack thereof) of a particular carbine. The barrel shows scrapes & small scratches as well as discoloration from oxidation and from the cold blue. There is a difference. The barrel flat is marked with a flaming bomb. More data submissions are needed to help determine any patterns. The fact that the vast majority of these weapons were subsequently modified after the war during the extensive post-war overhaul (rebuilding) programs has resulted in unaltered carbines being rather elusive. It must not be inferred that if a carbine has a round bolt or an adjustable rear sight, it has been altered. The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. The rifling is sharp. due to a lack of original documentation. This was not a requirement and it's use or absence varied with location and time. 7 day inspection period on all website purchases. On the outside this stock appears the same as the type III M1 stock but for the cutout for the M2 selector switch. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Our goal is to encourage collectors by providing honest descriptions, fair prices, and the best customer service. Receiver or barrel or? fire carbines like the M2's. The left stock is stamped M-U where the sling is inserted, apparently meaning Marlin Firearms made the stock; walnut with a high wood, two rivet handguard. The thin high wood area was eliminated as it was perceived as a weak point. I've got one with (JJ) in a circle , on the flipper, on a Winchester. At Guns.com, if an FFL is
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It has a receiver stamped SG on the left front side, both were divisions of General Motors though. on your local stores shelf, most retailers drop ship it from a warehouse in
Free shipping for many products! Barrel Date: March, 1943, Action Type:Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. due to a lack of original documentation. GENERAL MOTORS 12-43. Another word of caution is that brand new reproduction carbine stocks have been produced within the past couple of years. IP used some Rockola wood at their start up. The Type IA barrel band is marked UP which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 59). Questions should be posted in the appropriate forum. All original WWII carbine bolts are believed to have been blued. These receivers were purchased by Winchester. *Post Reserved in case I run out of space*. standard for all type V M2 pot belly stocks by all manufacturers. However, the majority of carbines made in WWII had the non-adjustable L type rear sights. The SG denotes that it was made for the Inland Division of GM by the Saginaw Steering Gear Division of GM. The M1 Carbine was widely issued to U.S. Military Forces which numbered over 16 million during WWII. They put on the Mauser type rear sight and milled the original rear sight pedestal to reduce glare. My IP is in the first serial block--1776xxx. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. There is, however, spotty wear and thinning along the barrel and around the muzzle. The practice of restoring the overhauled carbines by replacing later and/or non-original parts is a widespread practice among many collectors today. A. The rear sight is a Type I dual flip up aperture. During WWII the only stocks made with Birch were made by Sprague & Carleton Co. of Keene, NH for IBM (SC-B). Saginaw Steering Gear Division of General Motors Grand Rapids. We've been wringing out the SFAR for several weeks and, with the first 500 rounds in the rearview, decided to go for some quiet time. $145.00 ea. 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